lho... td aku udah posting komen ttg deskripsi punker yg aku tau...

ya pantes aja sih lagu nya men dengung2 kan "kebersamaan"
sori, jgn marah ato tersinggung ya, yg aku tau sih punker yg berkeliaran dg segala atribut itu kerja nya malakin supir angkot trus minum teh botol ga bayar.
srius! ini yg nama nya kebersamaan?
hasil jerih payah org, dianggap berhak ikut nikmatin demi menjunjung tinggi yg dibilang "kebersamaan" kah?
itu bukan kebersamaan bung, tp perampokan...

so... mungkin kl bisa menjaga harga diri dg ga memalak supir angkot ato bayar teh botol kalo abis minum, mungkin punker bisa diharga n dianggap baik.
tp nyata nya...? mana...?

disini aja tanggapan nya biar nyambung... okeh...?

@ Novee
Dia adalah scum punk....
Dia ga mau mabuk-mabukan, ngerokok, dan malah dia juga vegetarian.....
Mengenai komunitas ini saya belum temukan di surabaya....

Bozz...berfikirlah logis...
Mua ini ada aturannya..kl ga puas dgn aturan "pemerintah", anak punk bisa koq pimpin suatu negara, p mua kan ada jalurnya bozz!!!
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"Banyak anak – anak punk yang berhati nurani baik misalnya ketika mereka mengamen di tempat – tempat umum yang hasilnya biasanya digunakan untuk memberi makan para pengemis ataupun pemulung."
brati ga semuanya kan berbuat kaya gitu???

so bozz ga bleh judge "Kita lihat para pejabat yang berdasi rapi, ber-jas, mobil mewah, sepatu bagus malah justru adalah sampah masyarakat ketika ia tidak memiliki belas kasihan kepada rakyat miskin." sm dgn pikiran bozz, ga semuanya...
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Cb qt liat dr segi agama...(gw liat dr agama islam)...
1. Kebersihan sbagian dr Iman...
2. Tato dilarang agama Islam...
3. Pirsing, U/ co slamanya ga bs jd Imam
dll,...
jjr, mnurut bozz gmn??? Baek ga style mereka ky gitu???
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jangan bicara kebersamaan & kebebasan...tau ga sih arti dua kata itu???
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U/ mudahnya, bagus/Baek ga style Punk dr kaca mata norma, agama, hukum...& yg pasti..Tuhan mengajarkan/menghimbau ga ke Umatnya U/ bergaya hidup kaya gitu???
Gw rasa ga...Tuhan ga pernah kasih ajaran ky gitu...
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10's bozz...maap, gw blg ky gini...
santai ja ya bozz... :)

Ehm.......


Aku mungkin coba menjawab pertanyaan kalian.....


Buat kak novee....


Mbak tunggu sebentar lagi tentang jawaban yang sebenarnya....
Coz, aq sudah survey kesalah seorang temanq di jakarta.........
Dan akan saya jawab pada posting berikutnya.....Mohon sabar....


Buat kak ipang...

Tolong kak mengerti pa yang ada di dunia ini....
Kita hidup dalam dua sisi....
Sisi kiri dan kanan, hitam dan putih, iblis dan malaikat, baik dan buruk...
Hal ini telah diciptakan oleh Yang Maha Kuasa sedemikian rupa....
Ok lah saya tidak menganggap semua pejabat seperti itu dan semua punkers seperti itu....
TApi kembali kepada kodrat yang saya tulis di atas tadi......
Bagaimana anda menyikapinya....



Terima kasih karena anda sudah memberi masukan kepada saya.....
Dan anda juga perlu tahu bagaimana kehidupan punk itu mulai pertama terbentuk......

hahaha...........

memang sulit bgt punk d terima d negara kita ini.....
huh..........
slalu mandang authority and seniority, PAYAH!!!!
ni taun 2007 coy...

SKALI LG PAYAH!!!!!!!!!!

duuw...
buat mbak novee...
kykna gak bisa deh...
km lgs neg-judge org yg malakin supir anglot itu punker????

emang km bisa ngomong dia seorang punker drmn???
dari dandanannya?
dari rambutnya?
dari clananya?dari bootnya?

semua org bisa berdandan ala PUNKER....
tapi blom tentu mreka tau makna dari punk itu sendiri....

makanya org2 yg dandan punk...n malakin supir angkot menurut aq bukan the reaL pUNK....
KARNA PUNK BUKAN SPT ITU.....

lebih asyik lagi kalo km ngajakin ngbrol tuh mas yg malakin supir angkot...
n km tanya?
emang km dah ngbrol ama dia? ato km lgs nge-judge gitu aja....

mungkin dia cmn se-org poser...
yg gk tau hrs nyari mkn gmn?
n dia berdandan ala punk...tapi dia gk tau arti punk itu sendiri apa....
bisa juga kan??

sebenarnya sih sama aja...
kayak wanita berjilbab....
ada yg berjilbab dengan benar...
tapi ada juga yg pake jilbab...tapi pake celana n baju super ketat..hingga hmpr semua lekuk tubuhnya ditonjolkan....

bisa dibedakan wanita yg tau makna dr jilbab...dan yg hanya seorang poserr.....
right???

kamu pegang aja arti dari 'diy'do it yourself.......
lakuin apa yg menurutmu bener..
sesuai dgn soul of punknya..
equality..n brotherhoodnya..

MBAK NOVEE and MAS IPANK kayak nya anda berdua sinis bgt sama komunitas kami?bwt mas ipank dl dech mas namanya manusia ga ada yg sempurna emang bnr sey di dalam agama smua tu dilarang tapi yg namanya di tindik/piercing dari jaman nabi udah ada kali,dan buat mbak novee yg malakin supir itu mungkin bkn komunitas PUNK tp hanya stylenya mereka yang niru2 style kami jd sebelum anda menuduh bahwa itu perbuatan komunitas kami lebih baik anda pelajari dl seluk beluk komunitas kami thank's,kalo gak suka lebih baik diam dan jangan mencela

NOVI dan IPANK nama yang baik belum tentu orang nya baik pula,sebelu nilai seseorang nilailah diri sendiri...sebelum mengenal seseorang kenali diri anda sendiri...sebelum bicara riset lebaih baik,jangan asal ngomong...lo sudah prasangka buruk kepada orang belum tentu lo itu BAIK...
ada pribahasa mengatakan...
JANGAN MELIHAT SEBUAH BUKU DARI LUARNYA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Woz aluz ae lek ngmong,g semua yg loe omongin it bner cz gue dlu orngnya g suka ama namanya anak PUNK tp wktu gue pelajari. Trnyata ank PUNK tuch mndiri,solidaritasnya kuat,gak cengeng! Hdup djlanan tu ssah! G sprti yg loe bygin.

G smw org atw ank yg dandanannya ngPUNK brarti dy ank PUNK!!!!!! Krna ank PUNK yg sbnernya g kyk yg loe omgin!

Emg tu hdup slalu da mslah. Pro dan kontra gt de, klo g da pro dan kontra g hdup nma e!

Yg trpnting jdilah dri sndri. G usa nyalahin org læn! Dri sndri aj blum bnr.

Thanks uda comment. Tlg hrgai comunitas læn! G usa sinis ma comunitas gue! Klo sinis mndingan loe cba dl!

Buat gw punk ada dalam hati !
Punk itu bukan GAYA & TREND!!!
piercing,
tatoo,
mohawk,
alcohol &
Anarkisme
PUNK ITU JIWA,
jiwa lu yg ingin bebas
berexpresi,
berpendapat,
bermusik,
bermasyarakat...
tp bukan tanpa aturan !
PUNK ITU KEHIDUPAN !
hidup yg ingin bebas,
bebas dari system yg menjerat !!!
bebas dari kapitalism

semua orang memiliki dasar punk dalam dirinya !!!
perlu bukti !!!...
apa sikap lu saat lu di perlakukan gak adil dan semena mena ????

Komunitas punk gak kan ada kalau pejabatnya baik...
pamongnya baik...
aparatnya baik...
tp apa yg terjadi ???


ITULAH PUNK...
see u...

oia sori nih buat novee,lam knl ja ia,
mungkin lo ngeliat punk sebelah matta,longeliat dri segi luar nya ja ,munkin gw byun tahu semua tentang punk tpi gw setuju sama punk,niat dia buat berontak dalm kemiskinan,berontak buat para tikus" liar,berontak juga buat ke bodohan,
mungkin loo ngeliat nak punk iang loo maksud itu, bukn punk,lagian sekrng bnyk,iang gaya na kya punk,dengan gya mereka,paling"mang dia tukang palak iang berpakain seperti anak punk,sekrng bnyk misal nya seperti tukang parkir iang rambut nya di mohawk,tukang ojek iang pake spaick,blun tentu dia nak punk ,tukang parkir ia tukang parkir,tukang ojeg ia tukng ojeg

emang punk sering dianggap berandalan sama orang awam.
mereka dikatain ga beragama kayak tadi,tato,kotor,dsb.
tapi dari aku sendiri persetan aja sama smua itu.
aku uda jalanin hidup punk ini cukup lama.smua pahit manisnya juga kerasa banget.

agama itu hak,bukan kewajiban dan semua aturan yang mengekang ga akan cocok buat punk.
aku punya temen di jalanan dibilang sama orang lain ga bergama krena dandanannya berandalan,tapi dibalik smua itu,dari obrolan kami selama di jalanan,dia orang yang sangat percaya tuhan dan mengandalkan tuhan dalam hidupnya.
see.
kalo cuma dandanan sih ga bisa cerminin hatinya.aku pernah tau orang dandanannya alim juga ga taunya perek.
justru di jalan punk ini aku nemuin kebersamaan yg bener2,bukan kebersamaan semu yang cuma hura2.tapi kami di jalan berjuang bersama.


kalu tentang scum punk,di sini sering juga disebut straight edge.
biasanya pake tanda X di tangan kirinya.lambangnya ditulis juga sXe.

anak2 punk sendiri sih uda ga mikirin apa kata orang lain,yang penting kami hidup di jalan kami masing2 dan itu hak.

*celana ketat sebagai bentuk keterhimpitan kaum buruh di inggris.

*rambut mohawk sebagai bentuk solidaritas kpda kaum indian yang dibantai amerika

*warna rambut sebagai bentuk ekspresi kebebasan

*boots dan piercing,tato,paku sebagai bentuk perjuangan keras yang ga mudah patah

dengan semua filosofi yang kami pakai itu,
aku bangga jadi bocah yang tumbuh di jalan Punk.

setidaknya aku bisa bersuara,bukan hanya tunduk pada ketidakadilan.

emang punk sering dianggap berandalan sama orang awam.
mereka dikatain ga beragama kayak tadi,tato,kotor,dsb.
tapi dari aku sendiri persetan aja sama smua itu.
aku uda jalanin hidup punk ini cukup lama.smua pahit manisnya juga kerasa banget.

agama itu hak,bukan kewajiban dan semua aturan yang mengekang ga akan cocok buat punk.
aku punya temen di jalanan dibilang sama orang lain ga bergama krena dandanannya berandalan,tapi dibalik smua itu,dari obrolan kami selama di jalanan,dia orang yang sangat percaya tuhan dan mengandalkan tuhan dalam hidupnya.
see.
kalo cuma dandanan sih ga bisa cerminin hatinya.aku pernah tau orang dandanannya alim juga ga taunya perek.
justru di jalan punk ini aku nemuin kebersamaan yg bener2,bukan kebersamaan semu yang cuma hura2.tapi kami di jalan berjuang bersama.


kalu tentang scum punk,di sini sering juga disebut straight edge.
biasanya pake tanda X di tangan kirinya.lambangnya ditulis juga sXe.

anak2 punk sendiri sih uda ga mikirin apa kata orang lain,yang penting kami hidup di jalan kami masing2 dan itu hak.

*celana ketat sebagai bentuk keterhimpitan kaum buruh di inggris.

*rambut mohawk sebagai bentuk solidaritas kpda kaum indian yang dibantai amerika

*warna rambut sebagai bentuk ekspresi kebebasan

*boots dan piercing,tato,paku sebagai bentuk perjuangan keras yang ga mudah patah

dengan semua filosofi yang kami pakai itu,
aku bangga jadi bocah yang tumbuh di jalan Punk.

setidaknya aku bisa bersuara,bukan hanya tunduk pada ketidakadilan.

gw setuju bahwa punk itu ga slamanya harus dekil,lusuh,tatoan,mabok2an,dsb.soalnya gw hidup diantara anak2 punk dan mereka anak2nya lucu and ngegemesin.mereka tau akan arti kebersamaan dan kebebasan.arti kebersamaan ini adalah bersama melawan keadilan yang dibuat utk menghancurkan rakyat jelata dan kebebasan adalah bebas utk berekspresi dan kebebasan itu juga ada batasnya.
gw malah mikir bahwa yang ga punya otak itu adalah orang2 yg berjalan di jalur pop,soalnya mereka berlomba-lomba hanya utk mencari ketenaran bahkan orang yang berjalan di jalur pop ada juga yang mabok2an.dan coba loe pada liat malah orang yang bikin keonaran itu adalah orang2 yang ga pada punya otak seperti anak2 duge,preman dan ada juga para oknum aparat yang mabuk2an dan bikin rusuh.gw ngomong gini karena gw merasa punk adalah jalur hidup gw dan punk bukan hanya pada segi fashion doang.dan sekali lagi gw bilang punk adalah orang2 yang yang bebas berekspresi dan punk mengajarkan kita untuk mendiri dan slogan punk adalah D.I.Y (Do It Youself).

gw juga setuju apa kata nomessnofuse bahwa semua orang bisa aja dandan ala punker sekarang kita liat buktinya di televisi,banyak artis2 yang pada dandan ala punk,padahal mereka ga tau apa artinya dandanan tersebut.
dan orang yang malakin supir angkot ityu bukanlah punk tapi preman yang berseragam ala punk dan sekali lagi itu bukan punk tapi jenggo pasar.

oioi
aq mewakili kmunitas punk street dr kota quwh...

punk melihat dunia dr kenyataan...
gda iank bs lari dr kenyataan...

punk itu jiwa...
punk bkn piercing,nokiph,free...punk ituw hatii...

ladiies punk not bad!!

oioi

PUNK gak sprti yank u pkirkan
PUNK selalu hdup dalam kbersamaan tanpa ada kkrasan, pmalakan,

PUNK IS SOLIDARITY
PUNK IS LIFE
LIFE WITHOUT WAR
LIFE WITHOUT CRIME
PUNKISNOTDEAD

lo blm tw PUNK jgn Asl mnghakimi sebuah hak dari suatu komunitas
Jalani dan rasakan bung

OIOI

lo ku gtw PUNK gosah coment anh2 dech
Punk not Anarchy
Punk is Life

Life With Solidarity
Life With Anithing

Wihout Crime
NGRTI BUNG

Brfkir sblum brtndak
Saran gue tuh

Gak stuju saia sama Ipang. Tuhan mungkin emang gak pernah ngajarin untuk berdandan ala punker dengan segala aksesorisnya, tapi Tuhan ngajarin kebersamaan dan peduli. Itu ciri khas punker. Mengapa streeet punker memberontak dengan hidup di jalanan? Karena mereka peduli, mreka lihat orang2 miskin tertindas oleh sistem. Mereka memberontak lewat cara mereka sendiri. Menolak sistem dengan hidup di jalanan.

Tentang palak memalak?? Pasti pemalak itu cuma dandan ala punker doang tanpa tau apa itu punk. Jadi jangan pandang punk sebelah mata. Lihat dan pahami dulu idealisme nya. Baru ngomong.

SBY, saia stuju denganmu. Sulit skali negara ini membuka diri thd perubahan. Sulit bagi negara ini melepaskan diri dari penindasan sistem. Kalo yang "sadar" penindasan oleh sistem dicerca, mau apalagi?

Punk's not dead!

Dan satu lagi Mas Ipang. Anak punk mimpin negara?? Baca dan pahami dulu konsep anarkisme punk! Anak punk tak kenal sistem, anak punk kenalnya kebersamaan.

Anarkisme itu bukan gontok2an, tapi hubungan antar anggota komunitas yang sejajar, berdasarkan kesepakatan. tanpa hirarkis.

oi oi....
salam buat seluruh anak PUNK INDONESIA..
sodara2 marilah kita tunjukan pada semua masyarakat bahwa
"PUNK BUKAN KRIMINAL"

Amat sangat Disayangkan jika ada para PUNKERs yg menyakiti sodaranya sendiri..exs: malak sopir angkot, SP 2 jari, or apalah yg merugikan sodara kita yg berusaha mencari nafkah buat yg d sayangi nya.

Saran :Anak PUNK harus kerja donk..ngamen jg gpp asal halal, bikin sablon, or semir sepatu boleh jg, dll..biar dibilang anak PUNK bisa nyari duit halal..

ey saya ada cerita waktu berkunjung ke Sumatera tepatnya di kota jambi waktu liburan ke t4 temen saya yg juga anak PUNK. Disana saya berkenalan dgn Salah satu band PUNK yg Gokil abis, ey ternyata personilnya semua bekerja, ada di bank, PT sawit, Pulsa, dan distributor Obat.. di jambi Para PUNKERs nya asik2 bgt n ramah2.
Ternyata PUNKERs memang TOP. i love PUNK

salm oi oi, PUNK itu Jiwa, Bukan Hanya Style, Punk Itu (Pemuda Urakan Nan Kreatif), Punk Kebersamaan, jadi klo ada org bilang Punk Itu Kejahatan, mungkin hanya segelintir orng saja. Coz No Body's Perfect In the word, Buat Noya Novee dan Tuan Ipank, yang terlanjur mengecap PUNK (Komunitas ku) sebelah mata, Thnks F***much brother and sister.

bicara lo so ngerti
bicara lo tau....
bicara lo tai....
bicara lo......FUCK YOU

aq setuju banget ama kalian yang ngerti bener arti punk.Mungkin sekarang ini orang-orang ga pada tau klo aq ini maseh menjiwai punk,dan menjadikan semboyan PUNK itu sebagai pilihan jiwa dalam melangakah,hanya dikarenakan aq ga berdandan seperti PUNK yang orang2 awam sering liat,aq berdandan biasa,kaos,jeans,dan bukan sepatu boots.Tapi rasa kebersamaan n semangat untuk berjuangdemi kaum tertindas maseh ada.Yang penting semboyan "DIY" maseh aq pegang.Aku bisa makan sendiri dengan uang hallal,aq bisa nyekolahin adik2ku,n aq ga mau bergantung hidup dari orang lain.Punk bukan benalu.Ada juga sebagian komunitas yang aq temuin,yang menganggap aq hanya PUNK yang sekedar ikut2an,tapi setelah adu argumentasi ternyata mereka cuman NOL,mereka anak2 punk yang tau hanya sekedar style doank ato posser.Buat aq gpp aq ngejalanin hidupku sendiri n aq penuhin semua kewajiban aq,dan aq harus menerima hak2 ku dengan adil
Salam persatuan dari PUNK kediri.

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"NAZI FUCK"…(Polisi Anjing),,,Gw bukan budak,Gw gak mau disuruh-suruh…Gw anti kemapanan & Politik!!!” "(We Can Do It Ourselves) "BEBAS" KaMi kauM TerMARjinalKan!!! KAMI BUKAN SAMPAH !!!"

☻PunK iTu BUkan G3mBeL. . .
☻PunK iTu StrEET. . .
☺PunK iTu TeRiaK. . .
☻PunK iTu BroNtaK . . .
☻PunK iTu Anti PeNinDasaN. . .
☺PunK iTu Anti SuaP-MenyuaP. . .
☻PunK iTu bUKan MaEn-maEnaN. . .
☺PunK iTu buKan SeKedaR G@ya. . .
☺PunK iTu Bukan n@Ma OraNg. . .
☻PunK iTu C@ra HidUp. . .
☺PunK iTu KomUniTas. . .
☻PunK iTu MohaWk. . .
☺PunK iTu G@k @da Ketua. . .
☻PunK iTu T3riakaN Rakyat KeCiL. . .
☺PunK iTu LepAs AtuRan. . .
☻PunK iTu Keb3RsaMaaN. . .
☺PunK iTu KorBan PeniNdaSan. . ..
☺PunK iTu PanTang MenyeRah. . .

PUNK adalah jawaban dari sebuah bentuk kebebasan, kita ada untuk berjuang dan kita ada untuk melawan, lupakan semua integritas jalanan, karena kita tak pernah hidup di jalanan tapi kita bergerak dan berjuang di jalanan

KaMi kauM TerMARjinalKan!!!
MArsiNAh maTi Mu Tak Sia-siA!!!
KAMI BUKAN SAMPAH !!!
.....HukuM adLaH LeMbAh HiTaM...
.....CiNta Itu PemBOdoHAn......
..... NeGaRa kU PeNJaRakU ....
.....kOTa PemBAngKanG yG qT daMbAkaN...
.... sAuDaRa s'b0ToL...
....LAwan KemISkiNan DaRi KoTa JepARA
YaNg kitA BaNggA KaN...
.......PerlawaNan terHAdaP PaRA penInDAs MasYraKaT…
…..kebebsaN Ku Di BaWAh AcUNgan senJATA!!!!!!

*KAMI MENOLAK KEMAPANAN *

@Bangun masyarakat yang KREATIF dan
PRODUKTIF !!!!!!!
@Tolak budaya MILITERISME, FASIS, APATIS, dan KONSUMERISME!!!

*K3n4p4 Punk Di indentikan D3ng4n Gembel & Kejahatan?
*k3n4p4 Punk di jadikan sampah masyarakat & Selallu Dihina?

Ada 1 Hallllllllllll:
Punk adalah Gaya Hidup yg "ANTI KEMAPANAN"(We Can Do It Ourselves)
"BEBAS"

!!!...WARNING...!!!
JANGAN PERNAH MENGHINA KAMI SEBELUM SEPATU BOOOTS KAMI MENGINJAK-INJAK KEPALA KALIAN,,,???
KAMI ADALAH ANCAMAN BAGI KALIAN YANG MENGHINA KAMI,,,???

,,,"PUNK NOT DEAD",,,
,,,"I LOVE PUNK",,,
,,,"MY LIFE JUST FOR YOU PUNK",,,
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""NAZI FUCK"…(Polisi Anjing),,,Gw bukan budak,Gw gak mau disuruh-suruh…Gw anti kemapanan & Politik!!!” "(We Can Do It Ourselves) "BEBAS" KaMi kauM TerMARjinalKan!!! KAMI BUKAN SAMPAH !!!"

☻PunK iTu BUkan G3mBeL. . .
☻PunK iTu StrEET. . .
☺PunK iTu TeRiaK. . .
☻PunK iTu BroNtaK . . .
☻PunK iTu Anti PeNinDasaN. . .
☺PunK iTu Anti SuaP-MenyuaP. . .
☻PunK iTu bUKan MaEn-maEnaN. . .
☺PunK iTu buKan SeKedaR G@ya. . .
☺PunK iTu Bukan n@Ma OraNg. . .
☻PunK iTu C@ra HidUp. . .
☺PunK iTu KomUniTas. . .
☻PunK iTu MohaWk. . .
☺PunK iTu G@k @da Ketua. . .
☻PunK iTu T3riakaN Rakyat KeCiL. . .
☺PunK iTu LepAs AtuRan. . .
☻PunK iTu Keb3RsaMaaN. . .
☺PunK iTu KorBan PeniNdaSan. . ..
☺PunK iTu PanTang MenyeRah. . .

PUNK adalah jawaban dari sebuah bentuk kebebasan, kita ada untuk berjuang dan kita ada untuk melawan, lupakan semua integritas jalanan, karena kita tak pernah hidup di jalanan tapi kita bergerak dan berjuang di jalanan

KaMi kauM TerMARjinalKan!!!
MArsiNAh maTi Mu Tak Sia-siA!!!
KAMI BUKAN SAMPAH !!!
.....HukuM adLaH LeMbAh HiTaM...
.....CiNta Itu PemBOdoHAn......
..... NeGaRa kU PeNJaRakU ....
.....kOTa PemBAngKanG yG qT daMbAkaN...
.... sAuDaRa s'b0ToL...
....LAwan KemISkiNan DaRi KoTa JepARA
YaNg kitA BaNggA KaN...
.......PerlawaNan terHAdaP PaRA penInDAs MasYraKaT…
…..kebebsaN Ku Di BaWAh AcUNgan senJATA!!!!!!

*KAMI MENOLAK KEMAPANAN *

@Bangun masyarakat yang KREATIF dan
PRODUKTIF !!!!!!!
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